Grateful Dead Live at Madison Square Garden on 1979-01-08
- Live concert
- Grateful Dead
- DeadLists Project
d1t05 First 30 sec missing in right channel. SoundForge 5.0 was used to copy the left channel over.
Eac in secure mode with proper offsets, 100% track quality, no errors.
Shntool used to confirm sector boundries
MKWact was used to convert to shn, seekable.
Convertion/Seeding done 6-29-02 by Glyde (email@example.com)
Thanks to Paul for the discs
Another installment of The Music Never Stops Project
- 2004-03-26 10:16:27
- Shure SM57's > MC > DAT > CD
- New York, NY
- Taped by
- Keith Gatto
- Madison Square Garden
Subject: "We can share..."
"just like 'opinions'-!!!, everyone has a 'Best Ever' !!!!
RELAX FOLKS, IT'S JUST 'THE DEAD'. (The Grateful Dead-!!!!! 4-ever !!!!)
Subject: Evaluating Performances
Garcia's voice cracks at times. He's hoarse. So what? On a good night he doesn't have a good voice. And Donna, if she hits a note that's not flat, congratulate her, good golly. That will go for every show.
I get an impression that most of the critical commentators in these GD forums are not guitar players. I am a guitar player, a real one. And I love this show. Garcia is spectacular. His solos scintilate. They flow. There's a great funk & groove, each solo an improvisational story, a musical journey. Anyone can follow it, just pay attention to the notes, the music. Follow his winding melodies.
People talk instead of listen, minds wander instead of focus. Hence, the negative comments. He's playing, they're jamming, sms you ain't listening. Your writings indicate as such.
To close, if the shoe fits, wear it. Take my observations in their entirety. What I'm writing is more of a review of the reviewers. It comes across -I'm sorry, to be didactic is my style and I can't change that- as a rebuke. It's a suggestion to listen with more than one set of ears. It's art, not a basketball game.
Subject: Garden classic
Subject: Track 12
Subject: Almost There. But Not Quite.
Subject: I was there
Subject: amazing show
second set is just amazing before and after drums all just so so so good!!! love that wharf rat too got real rough at the end
Subject: It's an audiance tape....
Subject: I love you, Charlie Miller, but this show ain't it
In contrast to the above standouts from a great period, this show is just average. The only thing unusually well-played here is the Candyman, and maybe Donna's performance in Scarlet.
To all the people who say, "ohh, but its all about the *Enthusiam* of the crowd" I say, Yeah, enthusiasm is great--that's why, for example, people praise the matrices of 5-8-77, and the 12-31-78 album, because the crowd cheers at the openings of the songs and at the end of each big jam. It can add to the music. But on here, the crowd is so much louder than the music that it doesn't add to the music, it actually erases parts of the music. That's not a good thing.
Oh and to Mr. HiTiMeNiCeToMeEtYoU below, keep in mind you are not reviewing the "community". You are reviewing a specific performance and a specific recording job. Also, hell in a bucket was not played this night...In conclusion, don't write a show review while stoned. (Insert accusations of "grumpiness" here) As has been stated in many other show reviews on this site, it doesn't make you a "grump" or "hater" to call a stone a stone.
Show: 3 stars
Sound: 2 stars
I rounded down for obvious reasons
Subject: Cannot share your laughter!!!!
Subject: I guess you had to be there?
It's simply absurd that a file archived here should get a strong review based on the fact that one attended the show. Listen for yourself, there's not that much going on here and it's a sub-par audience recording. (92 pts)
Subject: good dead? you want some good dead, you say?
I've also read the reviews from those who think ""poor" sound quality should be reckoned against a perfomance's worth--a couple of steps back for you, I'm afraid.
OK, for the rest of us, on the count of three: ARE YOU FUCKIN' KIDDING ME?????
Half-Step>Franklin's: OK, it happened a lot back then, I'll grant you. Not like this though, bub.
Those of you who rate a show's quality by that of Jerry's voice are gonna have to take a *big* stgep bacvk, I'm afraid.
FOTD: Listen to that back beat on the instrumentals after Weir's solo. In fact, listen to Weir's solo. Nmae another show where they played it like that. Here's a hint: You can't!!!
It's All Over Now: Phil on the outro. 'nuff said!
Lazy Lightning: Not the best ever? Submit your alternatives for smiting!
Scarlet>Fire: "See above" won't suffice. Check out 1/17/79 for how bad it could get. "Donna rocks!" not in your vocab? Check it out, noob!
And on and on and on..... Not meaning to offend, but....... Seriously!
Subject: My First Show - 31 years ago
This was the day I "got on the bus" and have never left
Subject: Fire has the emotion!
Subject: buck and call
Subject: My First
Subject: Dr. Keith Gatto rests in peace
Subject: Big Dead/Jerry Grin
Subject: D-haze I think your right-
Subject: I can't stream Hi-Fi
Subject: we did it
Subject: They Missed 11-1-79 & 5-15-70 sbd's!
Plus 6-8-74. Still has 2nd set sbd....
Subject: Stand Out Show
Subject: AUD Sound
sorry sidweiss, guess you had to be there buddy.
Subject: Horrible sound
Subject: My first show, why Jerry's voice wasn't 100%
Subject: MISSISSIPPI -SCARLET-FIRE-TERRIPAN(20STARS)
Subject: Froggy Jerry
Something admirable and pleading about it all. Not to mention the extra effort that always went into his playing when his voice wasn't up to par.
rated a 3 cause you have to put a number in there only.
Subject: Running Concert Notes
Subject: I must agree...
Subject: Across the Rio Grandee-O
Subject: Stop the madness indeed!!!
and sat Shure's intact in the parking lot!! Nice energy show, and MSG proved to be a real stomping ground, but not in this recording. Please, get the board!!! You're killing me...
Subject: Rippin night at the garden
Subject: Amazing show!!
Subject: possible explanation?
Subject: Stop The Madness
Subject: Review of reviews, compliments to site/oper. !
In fact I arrived here looking at most of these shows for info related to folks/equipment, etc. of the period, and had actually forgotten that this is "the most downloaded show currently"; given that the most active period of taping I did myself, (West Coast) was during the surrounding time; most of which as it turned out, have well known boards, for example the last K&D show amongst others.
So I'd like to compliment the site operator(s)/webmaster(s) since there are several reviews posted, for keeping up a decenting opinion ! I can't yet say which way I'd gravitate toward in the debate ?
But for example I'll never forget during the break at Brent's first show (a few months later, if you don't already know that), I was making small talk conversation with the sorrounding folks, just being freindly and somehow I started to say something about a jazz show I'd attended the previous year, (McCoy Tyner, Ron Carter, Sonny Rollins and Al Foster) al influences on Grateful Dead etc., in relationship somehow to improvisation or something or other etc., when at least with this one fellow, if not most of the other folks around me, I suddenly realized, that these were what I still consider some of the more narrow minded variety of music fans. (The look on his face etc., was like there is no other band but the Grateful Dead). So I suddenly said, something like "Oh, excuse me. I forgot I'm at a Grateful Dead concert." At which point he offered out his hand, as if to allow me to re-join the collective so to speak.
So that is to say, part of what many of us related to with Grateful Dead is that it was more easy to see that there virtuosity was(is) on a par with some more tightly structured/heavily rehearsed bands or a philharmonic orchestras etc. yet, still seemed quite humanly fallable unlike others who if they made some mistakes etc., without extreme scrutiny, one would seldom notice any great difference, ie. just like most of the rest of us ! Having said all that ...
Now back to the show at hand. The fellow who wrote the decenting opinion acknowledged the excellence of the Lazy Lightin'-> Supplication. Having myself seen and recorded at the show, several before and after this one. I can attest to the "late" Lazy Lightin' period (end K&D-early Brent) as it's best.
Also, admittedly, I was the type who after they stopped playing it, would yell at the top of my lungs for it amongst others. And No Lie, I got my request fulfilled, on think more that one occasion, at least once instantly amongt one or two other songs that day at the Greek '82; which obviously blew not only my mind, but of course those around me whom I'd subjected to my outbursts at the quietest moments.
Some of these can be heard on various audience recordings that I didn't make, for example, me yelling "Warp 10", (someone I got my first copy of 1974-10-18 from had labeled the cassette this way), either before, The Eleven Jam 1979-12-26, or was that the next night before the "Meantime A Day At the Dentist", teeth drilling improvisation ? I haven't listened to that in a while, but I'm sure they're both this site. Or similarly, "The final frontier" before improvisation at other shows. But I made it a point, never to yell for St. Stephen or Dark Star ! (Although I did see St.Stehen once before this and Dark Star 5 1/2 times after this.)
So thanks for the tip Bro. I wait in great anticipation of at least that part of this show, as a mind blower !
Subject: good fire on mnt
wher eis 1987 by the way??
Subject: Dont believe the hype
Subject: Oh yeah...
Subject: Let's put this next to Cornell '77
Thanks y'all for offering this up!
Subject: ok, there are no soundboards for this show.
Let me take this opportunity to thank archive.org ! I'd also like to thank the individuals (Charlie Miller ?) now uploading Grateful Dead shows as well as (esp) Kimock, Cheese and many more! Thanks to all the posters and archive.org, the best site on the net !
Subject: No soundboards of this show
Also, Keith Gatto used Nak 300's to record this show, not Shure's.
Subject: Lazy Lightning/Supllicatio-need I say more
Subject: No SBD
Subject: Good show all around
Subject: Source Correction
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